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Huh... So I'm wrong in thinking that if, say, you're jump n' shoot man, and you're trying to jump and shoot, and you're jump ability is 2d 3w, and your shoot ability is 2d 4w, that you don't just use the 1d3w die pool and try to get 2 sets with that? But, instead, you take that die pool, and mix and match the dice you have in both your abilities? Because that seems to be what it said in the book... (Goes to read book), OOooooh, Okay then, it never became a problem for me as I've never done anything past trying to do the same action multiple times, so I missed that particular piece of ruling.

So... Can I just say this? I'm going to just say this.. HOLY CRAP is spray a cheap extra! Especially for everything that it does! for 1 point I add 1d, plus I take no multiple action penalty. Meaning if I try to jump and shoot, instead of rolling 1d3w, and only being able to assign the wd to jumping, I roll 3d3w and assign the wd to jumping. That can get extremely dirty if abused... (Luckily I hate abusing things, and my GM already knows that it's a super cheap extra for what it does, so it's not going to happen)

Anyway, with that out of the way, I understand what Daniel was saying when he said "operational skill:" sets the cap on the skill used. Basically, if the skill goes above the power, then you use the powers dice. The one thing that made me think I could do things this way was 1: glossing over the "Hard and wiggle dice can only be used for the skill, and 2: it says, under operational skill, that you can use your skills wiggle dice for the power... But looking over that now, I understand what they mean.

Cool, so... Other then that,

• I DID make the powersuit and allocated the points to it correctly, yea? The character itself is flawed in being made, but the powers are right (Including the Hyperstats and skills)?
• If I have spray on my E.Pistols (since they don't have any real ammo to worry about, and fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, spray seemed reasonable here), and use the pistol skill (because of the lower die pool), which also has the spray attached to it (being able to pull the trigger faster then normal), does that mean i get both instances of spray, or just one? What if I'm also rollerblading fast, and my athletics die pool is lower then my guns die pool? Would I still get the spray dice? Or do I just get to ignore the Multi-action penalty?
  
• Also, for you GM's out there, how would you rate the flaw "If/Then: When rollerblading" on the athletics hyperskill? -1 or -2? It seems like a very narrow flaw (in that, if I'm not rollerblading, I can't run to save my life), so I feel like it COULD be a -2, but that, technically, isn't my call.
  

Reassigning the points are easy, heck, it saves me at LEAST 3 points by not putting WD in my electric guns power (points probably spent going into athletics or pistols hyper skills). This character is all about hit-and-run tactics, move through the group of enemies while firing at them, and then getting out of there faster then they can chase her. Things I could do or change is make her a dodgy character, making the suit a cheap utility that provides power to her other powers, and nothing else, and put hyperskills into dodge while moving. And adding some sense while moving, (yea she's sure-footed, but she can't weave through things going faster then she can see and process). Basically, this character gets shut down if bound. It's why I'm debating linking the gun skill to the suit, and not moving, as a simple bind power will shut everything of her's down.

Anyway, thanks again for your patience and answers, I'm loving how helpful they are, and how much they're helping me learn the system. Things in the book that were confusing me because of hey they were worded are starting to make sense, and it's making the entire experience that much more enjoyable!

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I haven't actually had this come up in play — my players are stingy with their wiggle dice — but my preferred solution is that wd can be downgraded to normal dice before the roll if so desired.  Hard dice I'm happy to keep painfully restricted, since most of the time they're *so good* for their cost.

~Daniel

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Matt <moeheid@gmail.com> wrote:

I think you've missed a critical point. I maintain that special dice (hard, wiggle etc) can only benefit their source action. Using your example you could take three of your wiggle dice from hyper dodge for a 3x10 and roll the remaining 2 dice from your regular Shooting dice pool. However, let's say you have a 10wd hyper dodge and 3hd+3d Shoot Guns pool. 

You have 5 dice after the multi action, you have the choice of 3wd+2d, 3wd+2hd, 2wd+2hd+1d. You can never get the 3hd because the penalty eats one first but, However you split them the Wiggles will aways be dodge and the Hards will always be Shoot. 

Normal dice, while unreliable maintain versatility, you can ascribe them to either pool as desired, just as if you had a 10d pool of dodge and 6d shoot, you'd roll 5d and look for two sets, but if you rolled 5x10 you could decide that the set was a better deal as an awesome attack and go with no set for dodge. You made the effort by penalizing the pool and using the smaller of the 2, you shouldn't also Have to make a dodge set or further penalize your attack. 

Going back up to the earlier mixed pool, you could further complicate it by saying since there were no normal dice in the HyperDodge the normal die can't be part of the Dodge set but in that instance you're probably rolling for 10 anyway so I'm content to let them put it where they want. 

-Matt Conlon

On Jul 24, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Daniel Kane <daniel.m.kane@gmail.com> wrote:

The more I think about it, the more trivially abusable that is, though.  It means a character with 5+ dice in any power, two or more of them wd, can succeed at *ANY ACTION* they have 5+ dice in normally by performing a multiple action with that power.

10wd in Hyperdodge.  Need to shoot someone in the face with a 6d shooting pool?  2x10 dodge, 3x10 shoot, problem solved.  It effectively gives you wiggle dice in everything.  This is madness!

~Daniel

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Matt <moeheid@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow, really? That's harsher than I thought. I'll stick with the way I've been doing it. 

Reasoning: If I have a character with 2 miracles, say leap and blast, rated at 10wd then the idea is that he has unquestionable, effortless precision and power with both. But under that restriction he can't do both in a round because you can't mix special dice. Certainly a fringe case but the system breaks down long before 10wd in 2 powers. If I want to use my 6wd optic blast while I run the danger room obstacle course I can't without relying on a random set from my 6d dodge pool. Or if I have a 10d dodge a d the same 6wd attack I can't dodge and attack because I use the wd pool (smaller) but they can't be used to dodge (special dice can benefit other actions). 

Way too harsh for this GM. 

-Matt Conlon

On Jul 24, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Daniel Kane <daniel.m.kane@gmail.com> wrote:

You have to use the smallest pool, you can't mix-and-match dice from both pools.

For example, if you're performing a multiple action with 2d + 5hd and 4d + wd, you'll roll 3d + wd *and* have to use the wd for the action with the smaller pool.  You don't get to use any hard dice in that case.

~Daniel

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Matt <moeheid@gmail.com> wrote:

Once you've determined the size of the pool you decide which dice from each pool you're going to use, the only real limits are:

1) special dice (hard and wiggle) can only contribute to sets for the action type they came from

2) if you use any hard dice from a power you have to use them all. 

These two limits intersect harshly at times. As an extreme example:

Moltar has a 5hd engulfing lava blast and a 6wd tunneling power. He wants to take two actions to tunnel under a foe and blast him from below. 

Smallest pool is Lava Blast at 5, -1 for multiple actions, Hard dice are lost first leaving him with a 4d pool. He has to decide which dice come from where but here's the problem, his wiggle dice from Tunneling can't be used to make a set for the Blast, and if he uses even one Blast hard die he has to use them all which leaves no room in his pool to even use dice for Tunneling. This is why a mixture of normal and special dice is a better deal and allows for more diversity in actions.

More as I think of it. 

-Matt Conlon

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I haven't actually had this come up in play — my players are stingy with their wiggle dice — but my preferred solution is that wd can be downgraded to normal dice before the roll if so desired.  Hard dice I'm happy to keep painfully restricted, since most of the time they're *so good* for their cost.

~Daniel

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