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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:52 PM, DivisMal1925 <croames80@gmail.com> wrote:
> Question about kickstarter: I already committed 15 dollars to Better Angels. Can I now submit an additional 10 to get the printed book? Is there a specific way to go about this?

Yes, log in and it will allow you to change your pledge. You can edit
it up to the end of the pledge drive.

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Question about kickstarter: I already committed 15 dollars to Better Angels. Can I now submit an additional 10 to get the printed book? Is there a specific way to go about this?

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Our third stretch goal is down -- when Better Angels comes out so will a free web app to track character data online on any mobile device or computer. 

Sooo... Did I make the character right otherwise? I mean, other then putting the Wiggle Dice in the electric guns... All the hyperskills and hyperstats are right?

Defends, Self, Range, Duration, High Capacity Self

By sticking high capacity self on it would that be a fair bump to have the power simultaneously defend me and its target or is that really just a multiple action?

Range includes and therefore replaces Self as a capacity.

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Let's say I have a defensive power with the range capacity, like:
force field 2hd
Defends, Self, Range, Duration, High Capacity Self

By sticking high capacity self on it would that be a fair bump to have the power simultaneously defend me and its target or is that really just a multiple action?

-Matt Conlon

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Question: If I have a permanent power attached to a useful power do I just use the same set when I roll or do I roll the power separately for the triggered effect?

Let's say I have a character with-

Big Guard 2hd
D, Self, Interfering, Permanent, If/Then when attacked

And

Big Jump 1wd+4d
D, self, perm, attached to useful
Useful, Speed

In a given round I suspect I will be attacked and opt to just leap away, i roll Big Jump and get 5,6,7,8, i set my wd to 8 for 2x8. Now do I roll again to determine my defense or just use the same 2x8 set?

Thanks for any insight!

-Matt Conlon

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Not really, modern and with super-heroes.

The campaign I pretend to run I think will be Top Ten (Alan Moore)
comics - players don't know the comics - but first adventures will be
totally independent sessions, the campaign will start when we get
used. I heard with just one session all people fits to game, that's
great.


On Jul 28, 4:39 pm, Shane Ivey <shane.i...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <<Do you have any special module/adventure of Wild Talents (or Godlike)
> that you suggest for initiation in ORE system? I own "White Knights, Black
> Hearts" but I see the adventure so open that I'm not sure is good for a
> first start.>>
>
> Any specific setting?
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Hello all,

So... Does Interference "Act first" in this case? So, say, I got a 3x10 against an attack that scored a 6x10. Would the Interference hit that 6x10, knocking down to a 3x10, and then would the defense kick in, killing 2 of those 3 attacking 10's? Or, since it has the interference extra, would the defense happen first, and since it's now "Spent," the attack would hit on it's new 3x10?

Hey guys... I bet you thought I forgot about this little thread... Opting, instead, to make a new character... Well I didn't forget, and have a question!

So I had to give back the book last night (I might splurge and buy one for myself, just so that I don't have to keep borrowing it from other people >.<), but I thought came to me as I was working last night... What DOES Interfering DO on a defensive skill that isn't Armored, and doesn't have a duration? So the power was something like...

Interfering Defense! (5/10/20)
--------------------------------------------
Defend; Self; Interfering (+3)

This defense interferes with the attackers attack! (duh...)
--------------------------------------------

So... Say you had 3 hard dice in this ability, and decided to do nothing but defend against an attacker this round. As I remember it, a defense power is rolled against the attacker, and you gain gobble dice equal to your width, but can only get rid of dice from your height or lower... But isn't that also what interfering does? So would that mean that, effectively, this power's defensive capabilities have been double by just adding interfering? (guess it makes sense, as it basically doubles the pointage). Or am I mistaken in what a defensive power, or the interfering extra, does?

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Hey guys... I bet you thought I forgot about this little thread... Opting, instead, to make a new character... Well I didn't forget, and have a question!

So I had to give back the book last night (I might splurge and buy one for myself, just so that I don't have to keep borrowing it from other people >.<), but I thought came to me as I was working last night... What DOES Interfering DO on a defensive skill that isn't Armored, and doesn't have a duration? So the power was something like...

Tomorrow we start with stretch goals.

Thank you!

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FYI, Greg said he's going to put together a video to answer questions about Better Angels. So keep asking, either here or on the Kickstarter page.

So do you only play bad guys or can you play an angel possessed hero too?
Are there rules for both sides or just the evil one?

Rape of Nanking maybe be a good reference for Godlike. As character start to manifest power in stressful situation.

For what life maybe like for Chinese under Japanese occupation. The movie Ip Man's second half give u some idea.

Chunkai Kevin Wang

On Jul 26, 2012, at 23:10, J Unrau <hungryj@gmail.com> wrote:

> There's a book of journalism from the period that I find interesting
> for this kind of stuff called: The Unknown War: North China 1937-1945
> by Michael Lindsay. I have no idea how accessible that book is in
> North America (my copy comes from Beijing).
>
> In my experience a lot of the books about the Chinese civil war have
> quite a bit of decent information about the war and how the
> Nationalist/Communist infighting affected and was affected by the
> fighting. I haven't seen many reference books though.
>
> Good luck!
>
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> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Daniel Stack <dstack1776@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well right now it's more of an idea floating in my brain, though next ORE related game I'm giving serious thought to using that period.
>>
>> Any good reference books on the period? There's a ton of information specifically on the American presence but aside from that I've not been able to find too much.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Matt <moeheid@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep,
>>>
>>> Another factor as you get deeper into the 40s was the extreme poverty, and later the ill conceived maoist propaganda that drove people to "drive all the weakness" out of the country by killing all the small birds, which destroyed the only natural locust predators, which resulted in a famine... The list goes on. Industrialization programs where farmers tore up existing roads for cobblestones that -might- have iron.
>>>
>>> You might be able to run a "fun" game if you downplay a lot of those elements but that time in China wasn't pleasant outside Shanghai and XiangGang.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> -Matt Conlon
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Chunkai Wang <chunkai.kevin.wang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> Basically China was very chaotic during this period.
>>>
>>> (Disclaimer: Just for universal ease of reading, Chinese term will be in Han Yu Ping Ying method of spelling which is more universally accepted these days.)
>>>
>>> After China was re-formed as Republic in name, there was no central army for the Kuomingtang, literally means People's Party of China. There were a number of warlord, or Jun-fa, who are actually in charge and control of the China at that point.
>>>
>>> Eventually Kuomingtang founded Huang-Pu Military school to train their own army. With cooperation from some of the Jun-fa, Kuomingtang eventuall managed to unify China under one central authority.
>>>
>>> Than, Japanese started to invade China. Basically the Kuomingtang's military adapted the idea "Use space to exchange time." Move the capital to Chongqing, and trying to drain as much Japanese Army's power int China as possible. Japanese Army also realize it was impossible to hold China on their own, and they started to form Chinese based army unit as well. But those some of those army unit are lead by some what opportunitist Chinese, and they do have contact with Kuomingtang and they may actually defect if there is such a time that Kuomingtang started to fight back instead of retreat.
>>>
>>> Also, the communist party was seperated from Kuomingtang at one point, and became their own power. So Kuomingtang was not only fighting Japanese, they were also fighting the Communist party as well.
>>>
>>> This is just on top of my head...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Daniel Stack <dstack1776@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been flipping through the new Godlike PDF and it's got me thinking of a Godlike or gritty Wild Talents game set in China of that period, inspired by things like Blacksheep Squadron or Terry and the Pirates. This isn't quite a system question but I figure there's got to be some people with expertise on the period, given Godlike being set then. Anyone have any favorites to nominate on what China was like during that era, with extra credit for other areas of Asia like Burma, Singapore, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Dan
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So do you only play bad guys or can you play an angel possessed hero too?
Are there rules for both sides or just the evil one?

On Friday, July 27, 2012 7:14:44 AM UTC-7, Shane Ivey wrote:

"Keep your demon... entertained. It loves death and sadism and carnage but sometimes even more, it loves spectacle. If you're flamboyant enough, you hardly have to kill anyone at all." 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/arcdream/better-angels-a-hell-of-a-roleplaying-game-by-greg

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How does this compare to In Nomine?  It sounds like In Nomine with ORE specific rules (though the player does not play a Deamon or an Angel but rather someone influenced/possesed by a Deamon), and that is enough to get me to support the kick starter, but I have two questions:

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There's a book of journalism from the period that I find interesting
for this kind of stuff called: The Unknown War: North China 1937-1945
by Michael Lindsay. I have no idea how accessible that book is in
North America (my copy comes from Beijing).

In my experience a lot of the books about the Chinese civil war have
quite a bit of decent information about the war and how the
Nationalist/Communist infighting affected and was affected by the
fighting. I haven't seen many reference books though.

Good luck!

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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Daniel Stack <dstack1776@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well right now it's more of an idea floating in my brain, though next ORE related game I'm giving serious thought to using that period.
>
> Any good reference books on the period? There's a ton of information specifically on the American presence but aside from that I've not been able to find too much.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Matt <moeheid@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yep,
>>
>> Another factor as you get deeper into the 40s was the extreme poverty, and later the ill conceived maoist propaganda that drove people to "drive all the weakness" out of the country by killing all the small birds, which destroyed the only natural locust predators, which resulted in a famine... The list goes on. Industrialization programs where farmers tore up existing roads for cobblestones that -might- have iron.
>>
>> You might be able to run a "fun" game if you downplay a lot of those elements but that time in China wasn't pleasant outside Shanghai and XiangGang.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> -Matt Conlon
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Chunkai Wang <chunkai.kevin.wang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Basically China was very chaotic during this period.
>>
>> (Disclaimer: Just for universal ease of reading, Chinese term will be in Han Yu Ping Ying method of spelling which is more universally accepted these days.)
>>
>> After China was re-formed as Republic in name, there was no central army for the Kuomingtang, literally means People's Party of China. There were a number of warlord, or Jun-fa, who are actually in charge and control of the China at that point.
>>
>> Eventually Kuomingtang founded Huang-Pu Military school to train their own army. With cooperation from some of the Jun-fa, Kuomingtang eventuall managed to unify China under one central authority.
>>
>> Than, Japanese started to invade China. Basically the Kuomingtang's military adapted the idea "Use space to exchange time." Move the capital to Chongqing, and trying to drain as much Japanese Army's power int China as possible. Japanese Army also realize it was impossible to hold China on their own, and they started to form Chinese based army unit as well. But those some of those army unit are lead by some what opportunitist Chinese, and they do have contact with Kuomingtang and they may actually defect if there is such a time that Kuomingtang started to fight back instead of retreat.
>>
>> Also, the communist party was seperated from Kuomingtang at one point, and became their own power. So Kuomingtang was not only fighting Japanese, they were also fighting the Communist party as well.
>>
>> This is just on top of my head...
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Daniel Stack <dstack1776@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been flipping through the new Godlike PDF and it's got me thinking of a Godlike or gritty Wild Talents game set in China of that period, inspired by things like Blacksheep Squadron or Terry and the Pirates. This isn't quite a system question but I figure there's got to be some people with expertise on the period, given Godlike being set then. Anyone have any favorites to nominate on what China was like during that era, with extra credit for other areas of Asia like Burma, Singapore, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
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Geez, yeah, I forgot the new landmine rules! Not just the Minefield rules from BDB but also a new way of handling damage from landmines.

I hadn't even realized the anti-tank rockets didn't have base damage in the hardback rules. I just did up stats for the Faustpatrone (the first mark of Panzerfaust, used for the first time at Ortona) based on the PDF rules.

Shane would have the most detailed information. However, having proofed it and added to to it, these are the changes I recall:

• Various typo fixes.
  
• Slightly different rules for character advancement. 
• The Bren Gun added to the British MG table.
• The Sherman Firefly added to the British tank list.
• The big change is Appendix D, which includes rules from other supplements:

• Squad rules from Donar's Hammer, but with some modifications that really streamline them, while also giving them a better sense of attrition.
• The Bombardment optional rules from Black Devils Brigade.
• The Minefield optional rules from Black Devils Brigade.
• The One Roll Patrol generator from Black Devils Brigade. It doesn't include the terrain tables from BDB, but it has a dozen new terrain tables, for cities, steppes, villages, beaches, mountains, etc.
• The FUBAR rules from Black Devils Brigade.
• The skills from TOC Intelligence Bulletin #2, the Intimidation and Parachuting rules from Donar's Hammer, and the Skiing skill from Black Devils Brigade.
• Custom character generation rules, which include the USMC special school character rules from the TOC Intelligence Bulletin #3, and a variation of the FSSF character generation rules, modified from Black Devils Brigade.
• The Miracles, Extras and Flaws from Will To Power.

If you have the other Godlike supplements you have pretty much everything. I have all the supplements and yet I just love having Godlike in a PDF and having all the powers, including the Will To Power stuff, in one book. It makes the game immensely portable.

If you have the other supplements you don't suddenly find that half your collection useless, either. There are great horking gobs of information in the supplements that aren't in the revamped rulebook.

this is probably a stupid question, but having read the Editor's
commentary for the revision of Godlike, I was wondering if there would
be a file that would list the changes between the 2 versions for those
of us who bought the hardback when it first came out.

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A while back I asked if there would be interest in opening up the blog to let gamers contribute directly, and a few of you said you were interested. 

"Huh... So I'm wrong in thinking that if, say, you're jump n' shoot man, and you're trying to jump and shoot, and you're jump ability is 2d 3w, and your shoot ability is 2d 4w, that you don't just use the 1d3w die pool and try to get 2 sets with that?"  (I fail at email quoting)

That is exactly how it works by the book.  Take the smallest pool by number, roll it, and only apply its special dice to the miracle/skill to which those dice belong.

Also, Spray is pretty awesome.  The big catch is that for best effect you need to have Spray on all your important stuff.  You can also use it to add hard or wiggle dice!  By my interpretation, Spray dice are added *before* determining what the smallest pool is, btw.  I don't think the book takes a solid stance on that.

I agree that (Only on Rollerblades) is a -1 If/Then -- if the player's power only applies when rollerblading, it's fair to assume that character will put on his rollerblades any time he plans on using them.

I think the most non-cheesy multiple action special die rule would be to include any special dice in the smaller pool and, if any of those special dice are shared with another action, they can be used for either.

For example: 4d+2wd Dodge, 6d+wd Shootin' Stuff.  Jump + shoot stuff pool = 3d+2wd, one wd can be used only for Dodge, one can be used for Dodge or Shootin' Stuff.

That makes multiple actions much more complicated, however, and with *my* players (including an "I DON'T MATH" person) the action declaration will grind to a halt as they figure out what their actual dice are.

Not that you're "doing it wrong" if you resolve it differently, e.g. Matt's method!  It just helps to be cognizant of the pros and cons, and two people may disagree on how much verisimilitude matters... or even whether a rules change increases it.

Huh... So I'm wrong in thinking that if, say, you're jump n' shoot man, and you're trying to jump and shoot, and you're jump ability is 2d 3w, and your shoot ability is 2d 4w, that you don't just use the 1d3w die pool and try to get 2 sets with that? But, instead, you take that die pool, and mix and match the dice you have in both your abilities? Because that seems to be what it said in the book... (Goes to read book), OOooooh, Okay then, it never became a problem for me as I've never done anything past trying to do the same action multiple times, so I missed that particular piece of ruling.

So... Can I just say this? I'm going to just say this.. HOLY CRAP is spray a cheap extra! Especially for everything that it does! for 1 point I add 1d, plus I take no multiple action penalty. Meaning if I try to jump and shoot, instead of rolling 1d3w, and only being able to assign the wd to jumping, I roll 3d3w and assign the wd to jumping. That can get extremely dirty if abused... (Luckily I hate abusing things, and my GM already knows that it's a super cheap extra for what it does, so it's not going to happen)

Anyway, with that out of the way, I understand what Daniel was saying when he said "operational skill:" sets the cap on the skill used. Basically, if the skill goes above the power, then you use the powers dice. The one thing that made me think I could do things this way was 1: glossing over the "Hard and wiggle dice can only be used for the skill, and 2: it says, under operational skill, that you can use your skills wiggle dice for the power... But looking over that now, I understand what they mean.

Cool, so... Other then that,

• I DID make the powersuit and allocated the points to it correctly, yea? The character itself is flawed in being made, but the powers are right (Including the Hyperstats and skills)?
• If I have spray on my E.Pistols (since they don't have any real ammo to worry about, and fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, spray seemed reasonable here), and use the pistol skill (because of the lower die pool), which also has the spray attached to it (being able to pull the trigger faster then normal), does that mean i get both instances of spray, or just one? What if I'm also rollerblading fast, and my athletics die pool is lower then my guns die pool? Would I still get the spray dice? Or do I just get to ignore the Multi-action penalty?
  
• Also, for you GM's out there, how would you rate the flaw "If/Then: When rollerblading" on the athletics hyperskill? -1 or -2? It seems like a very narrow flaw (in that, if I'm not rollerblading, I can't run to save my life), so I feel like it COULD be a -2, but that, technically, isn't my call.
  

Reassigning the points are easy, heck, it saves me at LEAST 3 points by not putting WD in my electric guns power (points probably spent going into athletics or pistols hyper skills). This character is all about hit-and-run tactics, move through the group of enemies while firing at them, and then getting out of there faster then they can chase her. Things I could do or change is make her a dodgy character, making the suit a cheap utility that provides power to her other powers, and nothing else, and put hyperskills into dodge while moving. And adding some sense while moving, (yea she's sure-footed, but she can't weave through things going faster then she can see and process). Basically, this character gets shut down if bound. It's why I'm debating linking the gun skill to the suit, and not moving, as a simple bind power will shut everything of her's down.

Anyway, thanks again for your patience and answers, I'm loving how helpful they are, and how much they're helping me learn the system. Things in the book that were confusing me because of hey they were worded are starting to make sense, and it's making the entire experience that much more enjoyable!

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